McCain-Palin's Radical Ties
Since who you know is now officially fair game for everyone, lets discuss John McCain and Sarah Palin's ties to extremist groups. Lets start with John McCain. Paul Begala mentioned this on Meet the Press, but I'll reiterate that John McCain sat on the board of the "U.S. Council for World Freedom" from 1981-1986.
The group in 1981 was dubbed by the Anti-Defamation league as a group that 'has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.'" Their Mexican Chapter called the "blamed everything on Jews" and sent out newsletters belittling the Holocaust. They were also linked to death squads and Iran-Contra in Central America, but that was all in the name of "freedom" so its okay. Their basic goal was to assist Latin American countries in "liberation" from leftist groups, but eventually became nothing more than a paramilitary cliche. McCain says he left when he found out about their bad reputation in 1986, but the Anti-Defamation wrote about their extremisim in 1981 and they were controversial given their anti-semitic leanings long before then. How close was McCain to this group? Close enough that he could dine with them and promote them.
Of course we all know that Palin's husband is a member of the Alaska Secessionist Party. You know the group that wanted Alaska to leave the United States. This is the same group who's founder said "Damn America" and "Damn that flag." Palin attended their conventions as early as 1994 and actively courted them. Of course Palin addressed the group and told them to "Keep up the Good Work" and "God Bless You."
But the founder also has ties to Iran and actively sought the destruction and a terrorist war against the United States. He even convinced the Iranian Government in 1993 to let him speak at the United Nations convention to denounce the United States. Yes, the same Iran that wants to destroy Israel. And speaking of Israel, lets turn to Sarah Palin's radical church connections. Not does the church actively promote "Jews for Jesus" but Sarah Palin sat IN A PEW AND MADE NO OBJECTIONS when Jews for Jesus leader David Brinker said in her radical church that Jews had rejected the Messiah and needed to convert to Christianity. He also said in CHURCH again WHILE SARAH PALIN WAS THERE:
So God is judging Israel because they failed to to accept Jesus Christ? That's why we got all this violence in the Middle East? She doesn't share her church's views she says. Obama doesn't share his church's views, but we gotta hold Obama to a higher standard than we ever would hold Sarah Palin don't we because he knew Reverend Wright and William Ayers and therefore MUST share their views somehow.
Lets not even bring up the fact that her minister said all those who criticize George W. Bush in the wake of Hurricane Katrina were going to hell. And who can forget Sarah Palin's "anointing" as Alaska's leader in her church by Thomas Muthee, a Kenyan preacher who actively hunted witches in his native land, who preached at Wasilla Assembly of God no less than 10 times. He's the same minister that ran one woman out of her native town for being a "witch." And what did Palin say about this witch-hunter, she said that he's really bold and thanks to him she became Governor of Alaska.
Why is it that Obama's "connections" to some domestic terrorist (who BTW is somehow not in jail he's so bad) is worse than McCain's decades of bad judgment and Palin forcing her teenage daughter to marry because she got knocked up. Ultimately, I don't think any of this stuff matters, but people living in glass Witch Huts shouldn't be throwing stones.
The group in 1981 was dubbed by the Anti-Defamation league as a group that 'has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.'" Their Mexican Chapter called the "blamed everything on Jews" and sent out newsletters belittling the Holocaust. They were also linked to death squads and Iran-Contra in Central America, but that was all in the name of "freedom" so its okay. Their basic goal was to assist Latin American countries in "liberation" from leftist groups, but eventually became nothing more than a paramilitary cliche. McCain says he left when he found out about their bad reputation in 1986, but the Anti-Defamation wrote about their extremisim in 1981 and they were controversial given their anti-semitic leanings long before then. How close was McCain to this group? Close enough that he could dine with them and promote them.
Of course we all know that Palin's husband is a member of the Alaska Secessionist Party. You know the group that wanted Alaska to leave the United States. This is the same group who's founder said "Damn America" and "Damn that flag." Palin attended their conventions as early as 1994 and actively courted them. Of course Palin addressed the group and told them to "Keep up the Good Work" and "God Bless You."
But the founder also has ties to Iran and actively sought the destruction and a terrorist war against the United States. He even convinced the Iranian Government in 1993 to let him speak at the United Nations convention to denounce the United States. Yes, the same Iran that wants to destroy Israel. And speaking of Israel, lets turn to Sarah Palin's radical church connections. Not does the church actively promote "Jews for Jesus" but Sarah Palin sat IN A PEW AND MADE NO OBJECTIONS when Jews for Jesus leader David Brinker said in her radical church that Jews had rejected the Messiah and needed to convert to Christianity. He also said in CHURCH again WHILE SARAH PALIN WAS THERE:
What we see in Israel, the conflict that is spilled out throughout the Middle East, really which is all about Jerusalem, is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment. There is judgment that is going on in the land, and that's the other part of this Jerusalem Dilemma. When Jesus was standing in that temple, He spoke that that judgment was coming, that there's a reality to the judgment of unbelief. He said "I long to gather you, but..." what? "You were unwilling." God never forces His way on human beings. And so because Jerusalem was unwilling to receive His grace, judgment was coming. He says, "Look, your house has left you desolate!"... Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real."
So God is judging Israel because they failed to to accept Jesus Christ? That's why we got all this violence in the Middle East? She doesn't share her church's views she says. Obama doesn't share his church's views, but we gotta hold Obama to a higher standard than we ever would hold Sarah Palin don't we because he knew Reverend Wright and William Ayers and therefore MUST share their views somehow.
Lets not even bring up the fact that her minister said all those who criticize George W. Bush in the wake of Hurricane Katrina were going to hell. And who can forget Sarah Palin's "anointing" as Alaska's leader in her church by Thomas Muthee, a Kenyan preacher who actively hunted witches in his native land, who preached at Wasilla Assembly of God no less than 10 times. He's the same minister that ran one woman out of her native town for being a "witch." And what did Palin say about this witch-hunter, she said that he's really bold and thanks to him she became Governor of Alaska.
Why is it that Obama's "connections" to some domestic terrorist (who BTW is somehow not in jail he's so bad) is worse than McCain's decades of bad judgment and Palin forcing her teenage daughter to marry because she got knocked up. Ultimately, I don't think any of this stuff matters, but people living in glass Witch Huts shouldn't be throwing stones.

19 Comments:
There is "radical," and then "bomb the pentagon." And putting "connection" in quotes is a bit much -- Obama's first fund raiser for state office was in Ayres' living room. Although the Obama campaign now says his predecessor in the legislature organized the fundraiser, she says she merely attended, and left early.
The same William Ayers who was idolized and admired by several Republicans. Why isn't he in jail if he's so terrible? He bombed the Pentagon..he's a 1960's radical ..why is he running scot free?
And wanting secession from the United States and sitting in Church while someone says Israel is getting what it deserved... that seems pretty radical to me. Again though, if William Ayers matters to you, the personal lives of John McCain and Sarah Palin then must matter to me.
And you answered basically none of my above charges. None. Not one. Not a thing about McCain's connections to a right wing group that funded death squads.
Not a single idea to Palin's Jews for Jesus non-offense, not a single answer to any of the charges. Your answer is: "he bombed the Pentagon"..which is weird..because any one who bombs the Pentagon should surely be in jail? No?
And still no answer to this notion that Palin said nothing as someone shouted KILL HIM at Obama's name. Wait wait...I already know your answer: "But..but he bombed the Pentagon."
And frankly.the only terrorist you or anyone should be concerned about is the one living in the mountains of Pakistan..All I heard Obama say he'll kill him if he's in his site...I heard John McCain say that's a mistake and that he has a "secret plan" to capture Bin Laden.
Funny how I'm sure Bush, the Pentagon, and half the world would love to know about this secret plan now rather than waiting until November.
He isn't in jail because after years of being a fugitive on the run, a prosecutor screwed up the case, forcing the government to drop the charges (look it up on google, not a mystery). In other words, not because it was ok for him to bomb the Pentagon, but not ok for Al Qaida to do it.
Again...nothing about any of my above charges..nothing. Not a one. Nothing about Palin. Nothing about McCain not bothering to chase the actual terrorist. William Ayers William Ayers William Ayers! That's all you guys got ain't it? Obama sat on a Poverty Board with this guy! Shame on him and all those other Republicans who funded the board and ASKED William Ayers to be on it. And how the hell could a prosecutor screw up a case of someone bombing the pentagon? How could someone so evil go free? Seems odd to me.
But here are some questions that I hope you get around to answering... What about McCain and his ties to this radical group that was filled with nazi sympathizers, Holocaust deniers, and who gave direct money to Death Sqauds in Central America? Did anyone die as a result of William Ayers? Did anyone die as a result of McCain sitting on a Board and giving legitimacy to a group that sent direct money to death squads in Central America? What about Palin's minister who hunted witches? What about Palin's husbands ties to the Alaska Secessionist Party? And while you are at it, please defend her seeing Russia from her house too!
The fact is, Obama is about as connected to this guy as John McCain is connected to this Council for World Freedom bullshit.. And doesn't John McCain call G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North friends? Those guys were criminals among other things...but here we are.
OK, I looked it up. The serious charges on Ayers were dropped because the entire case against him was based exclusively on illegal wiretaps...not really a paperwork error.
And, about that Pentagon bombing: nobody was injured, and due to and the resulting property damage delayed aerial bombings in Vietnam for several days, if Wikipedia is to be believed. So in fact he saved lives. Hah.
And of course this is all besides Chris's larger point: what's the conservative answer for McCain and Palin's "connections"?
Just to interject factually for a moment: a few people indeed died because of the Weather Underground. I believe two police officers may have been killed in New York. Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of two convicted members of the Underground. Actually, there was a Law & Order loosely based on the Ayers/Dohrn story. Regardless, there was, in fact, an evidence discrepancy that caused a significantly reduced charge against Dohrn (Ayers' wife), but Ayers was never charged. FWIW, Dohrn was a junior associate/law clerk at Sidley (I think), but was never given her license to practice law.
I said the prosecutor screwed up the case. I think illegally wire tapping a person and getting the case dismissed is screwing up the case, and the fact he isn't in jail speaks nothing for what kind of person he is. OJ got exonerated because the cops planted evidence at his house. Does that mean he didn't kill his wife? We may never know, but unlike OJ, Bill Ayers is unrepentant and admits what he did!
Why is it my job to give the conservative answer for McCain and Palin's connections that I heard about for the first time through this blog this morning, and have no basis to believe or not believe? Who appointed me? This is the problem with blogging -- someone from the other camp crashes the party and suddenly they have to address every point and failure to do so speaks ill of the entire McCain campaign. I have to know something about the Alaskan seperatist party to be concerned about Obama with Bill Ayers? Maybe I'm not too thrilled that the Governor's husband was part of a seperatist movement myself. Despite any misgivings I might have about her husband's associations, or anyone else's, none of them directly planted a bomb at the fucking pentagon.
Don't bother Andrew F.. This the same party that preaches "forgiveness" and "people can change" but the only people they care about changing is their own. Bush was a crack head? Bush drove drunk with his sister? McCain left his disabled wife? Called his wife a cunt you say??
"Its complicated!"
William Ayers earned the trust and respect of the Chicago community and people forgave him. That's what I thought this whole religion thing was about..but apparently the loving mercy and forgiveness of Christianity only applies to Republicans.
It isn't enough for Obama to distant himself from William Ayers..its that he "knew" him.. But McCain sitting on a Board with a group of rightwing nutjobs giving money to South American terorrists..that's okay.
I have handy links for you. Research it .the same you researched William Ayers. And it is your job..because you are saying this disqualifies Obama from public office..then why shouldn't their connections be any less disqualifying?
That's not the problem with blogging.that's the greatness of blogging. I don't think Obama's connections to this guy make any difference to me. But if they bother you so much then why don't McCain/Palin's connections?
And McCain's Board gave money to people who fucking killed people in South America and who's Mexico Chapter blamed everything on the Jews. Did Obama bomb the Pentagon? Does he condone it? No more than McCain or Palin.
If you are going to throw out accussations of Obama being "linked" then why can't I or anyone?
And to reiterate.t.his shit isn't relevant to me..but clearly "guilt by association" is relevant to you..so defend McCain-Palin! If Obama is guilty because of his associations, then why aren't McCain-Palin guilty for their associations?
And BTW, you still haven't answered my question whether its okay to incite people say of a Presidential candidate: "KILL HIM". Or whether its okay for someone to deliberately play on people's fears by being introduced by a guy who says: "HUSSEIN" ..or to play to a mob mentality that turns violent (at least against the press).
Anonymous: This is definitely off-topic but FYI, nobody planted any evidence in the OJ Simpson murder investigation. OJ's defense attorneys successfully distracted the jury with stories about an investigator who may or may not have said racist things years ago (possibly while acting in a play), and by detailing policework that sounds sketchy but is actually routine and by-the-book (the chain of evidence). The whole story is available on crimelibrary.com, check it out. And let's not forget that OJ is, in fact, going to jail probably for the rest of his life; Ayers somehow managed not to run afoul of the law in the last thirty years.
Brownman: I believe I also saw a movie called "Running on Empty" starring Judd Hirsch and River Phoenix, about two former radicals who decide to turn themselves in in spite of/because of the son they're raising. I suspect it's also based loosely on the Ayers story.
This was awesome Chris. Anonymous is obviously a troll, and you made that clear thru your case.
Most blogs and news services have quoted the same one paragraph of the six-page transcript of the message that David Brickner of Jews for Jesus delivered at Sarah Palin’s church, giving the false impression that he is saying that a bulldozer attack by a deranged Palestinian is God’s judgment on the Jewish people. Please read or listen to the entire message for yourself at www.jewsforjesus.org/blog/20080817 so that you can hear Brickner’s remarks in context. Please also take a look at Brickner’s comments concerning his message at Wasilla Bible Church, as well as interviews by Christianity Today and MSNBC with Brickner about this issue, at www.jewsforjesus.org. Among other things, Brickner says, "The comments attributed to me were taken out of context. The notion that the terrorist, bulldozer attack in Jerusalem this summer was God’s judgment on Israel for not believing in Jesus, is absolutely not what I believe. In retrospect, I can see how my rhetoric might be misunderstood and I truly regret that . . . . Let me be clear. I don’t believe that any one event whether a terrorist attack or a natural disaster is a specific fulfillment of or manifestation of a Biblical prediction of judgment. I don’t believe that the newspaper should be used to interpret the Bible. The Bible interprets the Bible. I love my Jewish people and the land of Israel. I stand with and support her against all efforts to harm her or her people in any way."
i'll take support for israel from pretty much any quarter, but "jews" for jesus aren't jews. they're christians who masquerade as jews. check out jewsforjudaism.com.
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